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Discussion : Resumes on kutchvalley mailing list
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H1-B market is tough. Students are having hard time finding a job so everyone is trying all avenues. Even if it works for one person, that’s a win. I don’t look at the resumes but do read email to understand if any of it is from my field and if I could help. But mostly all the resumes are IT related. As long as email is being sent out from KV member, irrespective of candidate being Kutchi or not is fine to me.
Thanks,
Romil
I personally think emailing personal resume or for someone else is fruitless. It gives a feeling of “you did something” but no one is truly benefited in most cases because the email goes ignored. Especially in tech sector its difficult to understand which profile a person fits in by just looking at the resume.
General email blasts can still be used in urgent cases, that way ppl will actually take notice since such emails wont be very regular.
I think we should use the linkedin route but more strategically. All KV members have updated linkiedin profiles which shows the current company they work in. The person who is looking for a job should see if any profile matches them in that company and directly contact the KV member either via linkedin or personal email to be referred for that position by providing the job id. If its an external KV/ non KV member they can use the introduction option in linkedin to help their common friend introduce them to the person who’s company they are interested in applying. This way all the parties are benefitted – the person looking for job and also the person referring for the job.
We can also create a new linkedin group which consists of ppl who don’t mind being contacted for referrals. And that group can also be used to promote any Job openings in a company.
I vote for option 4. I do read these emails and check the resumes. I have also had some folks interview in my team whom I found through KV mailing list.
I second romil here… I don’t think we should discard any resume because it falls in category b or c. Even we have been in their shoes and tried all possible ways to float our resumes.
We can form a database using some of these matrices:
role (SW Engineer, SW QA, Manager, PLM etc)
field (Database, Networking, VLSI, hardware, api, financial analyst etc)
POC (names of kutchis)
Eg:
SW Engineer; Networking; Denil, Bhanik
SW QA Engineer: Networking; Denil, Bhanik
Whenever somebody wants to forward the resume: he/she has to fill a form i.e. fill role, field and the email will go to the POC.
So agree with Miril…..
Unless the person looking for a job knows exactly what position he or she is looking for in a particular company just a group email I am not sure how useful that is.
Really how many of us in this group forwarded these mass emails or even looked at the profiles of unknown people and the email has led to any conclusion.
How would anyone know if the prospective unknown candidate is willing to relocate to Austin or Seattle for a particular position in my group…..
Its like expecting the receivers of the email to look at the resume, analyze person’s skillsets and then go on his/her company’s job board and start looking for jobs that could potentially match the resume and start applying or let the candidate know hey XX company has so many jobs that match your profile!
More than happy to refer anyone who is trying for a particular position. At Apple, they encourage employees to refer directly to hiring manager/recruiter. This has a much higher chance of response in hiring process. Amit too had success when any KVite reached out to him directly for a particular position in his company. Atleast he was able to get some inputs from the hiring manager even if the candidate was not a good fit!
I agree with Romil & Denil. Those emails sometimes can be very useful especially for folks who might have lost their jobs and need to find something urgently. In fact, couple of years back we were able to hire a really good engineer at glassdoor through KV’s mailing list.
I personally feel that we shouldn’t disregard any resumes just because they are non KV. Finding good jobs is difficult and a student already has a lot of pressure to go through. In that case, any ray of hope can give courage to that student. A change that I recommend would be to brief about the kind of role one’s looking for in the subject, so a person in the same field would pay more interest to it, and he /she can further contact that person if it seems relevant. We have a broad audience in KV working in different sectors, so 1 email can provide lot more links to that person.
KV emails do not generate high traffic and hence not flooding our inboxes . Most of us might be spending too much time on Watsapp and still do not complain.
Also, not to forget US believes in diversity and hence we all are here. Unless we are getting overwhelmed we should keep forwarding emails to help a person who is in need of a job.
I agree with Romil, Jenny that irrespective of the candidate being Kutchi or not
we can help out a person looking for a job. I have forwarded resumes of Kutchis to non-kutchi friends.
When someone is looking for a job the person wants to try all possible avenues.
I also like the idea of combining the resumes in a single weekly email if we get many resume emails in a week.
I think we should keep sending out emails to KV community for any candidate posting via a KV member. H1B market is tough, and being out of job is tougher.
This does not create spam either. It’s how we KVites communicate.
However, plain emails with the just a resume does not help.
The following could really speed up the process.
1. List all the companies along with jobs IDs in google docs and share it. Referring people can relate to this and know whom to get in touch with. This also, removes the need of a cover letter.
2. Also, include basic contact info in the email – name, address, phone, email, etc. Many internal career sites require these.
3. Without #1, and #2, most of the resumes are either unread or dont convey what the applicant is looking for.
4. It will be most helpful if we can have a editable KV page (or even google excel) where each KVite can list their company name and company’s job listing site. This will make the search faster.
5. In the end, there should be a closure. If the applicant has found a new job, the KVites must be informed, so as not to keep forwarding/referring him/her further.
Completely agree with view point of not discarding resumes based on different categories. I do look at the resumes and refer when applicable. As Nilay mentioned listing job id’s/links make it very easy in understanding kind of position candidate is interested in and finding similar positions.
I also like the idea of digest email per week (if there are many), since now it get’s easy for referrer to refer all at once and hopefully resumes can get more referrals.
I don’t look at the resumes as Oracle has a policy of not forwarding resumes to managers directly to avoid discrimination charges. All resumes have to be entered thru their system. Having said that, the number of resumes are low enough right now to not be an issue.
We also received feedback via email. Reproducing main parts here without the names.
1) “Resume is fine but when they say look for any position in your company and apply. This sounds very vague. Either they should be asking for specific people who work in those companies and also do some research on what job positions they are interested in rather than just forwarding the resume.
I myself don’t read everyone’s resume unless I am in HR and looking for someone to hire. Hope it will improve in future. Thanks for reaching out for our thoughts 🙂 ”
2) “I feel it’s okay to have people’s resume’s going to this list. I know people have floated the idea of having separate mailing lists, but that has a number of disadvantages. Not everyone will sign up for that mailing list (if everyone does, then might as well have the emails go here!). Jobs are a very sporadic thing. If someone send an email looking for jobs, there’s a chance that you may have just heard of an opening in your company or your friend’s company, and that would let you connect the job seeker and the employer. If there were a separate mailing list, someone may forget to join it just when they hear of an opening at their friend’s company, and the potential connection may get lost.
The bigger issue here in my eyes is that we all are where we are because people have helped us. Getting 4-5 emails in a day may be an inconvenience, but a minor one — I would look at it as an opportunity to pay forward our debts to those who have helped us in years prior. If even 1 or 2 students/younger people (who btw are the most needy because of financial and visa situations) find a job through this channel in a year, I would consider that a success.”
3) “Good discussion……..I think Resume should only be published related to KOJAINs personally and not for the others. This way, Kutchvalley is better served if we limit number of emails coming for other than related to KOJAINs. “
I would highly recommend that any non KV member should route their resume through a KV member – almost like the KV member being a mentor.
The candidates should in parallel do their due diligence in finding the right fit from job postings and keep their hunt more streamlined so that KV members can use their contacts in the short listed companies and get the candidate’s hunt to move forward.
I agree with the general sentiment that it is difficult for fresh grads and H1B professionals to find jobs and hence we should all do as much as we can to help out.